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Terra ([personal profile] penguinfaery) wrote2009-03-30 10:13 pm
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So this is like super serious business, but it's been nagging me a lot. I've realized that Global warming denial is one of my big pet peeves. One I think I never noticed because I was never AROUND people who denied it.

If you don';t know much about the subject this is a nice basic summary. It's not the most indepth thing ever, but it's informative.

• Strong hurricanes, droughts, heat waves, wildfires, and other natural disasters may become commonplace in many parts of the world. The growth of deserts may also cause food shortages in many places.

• Some hundred million people live within 3 feet (1 meter) of mean sea level, and much of the world's population is concentrated in vulnerable coastal cities. In the U.S., Louisiana and Florida are especially at risk.

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

[identity profile] submit-yourself.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't say that human industry is the only cause for the earth getting warmer. I stated that it was a cause. If you leave water sitting in the sun it get warm. If you have gasses that are rapidly being produced that trap heat it's going to heat up the atmosphere and that is common sense, hence why I used it.

No you can not record temperature to a tee day to day. I'm not going to know that in 1632 that it was snowing 3 inches and it was 19.5 degrees, but we can know a good and pretty damn accurate estimate from writings, eye witness accounts, tree rings, soil samples and things like that that give a reading that would correlate with those. No they're not a day to day account, but they are helpful in seasons changing.

I'm not arguing that humans and industrialization is the sole cause of it, but it can't be denied that creating an abundance of gases that warm the earth aren't going to warm the earth. humans are contributing to it whether it is a natural process (which it is in my opinion) or it's some strange phenomena that is occurring.

[identity profile] donotttrust.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I just wanted to highlight something that may have been overlook in the midst of my argument, which is that I actually agree with you that human industry is a cause for the Earth getting warmer. My only real argument on your statements was placing blame as to how much, and what science does or doesn't agree at currently.

But like I said earlier, the scariest part of this is that if we are the primary cause 1.) we may have already reached the point of no return, or 2.)it'll take the death of tens of millions before any real, hard hitting discussions take place.

But I have faith in humanity and our knack for adaptation. Sure we have to fall to learn how to get back up, but it's the getting back up part that matters in the survival of a species.

Generally enjoying watching you two debate

[identity profile] penguinfaery.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
1.) we may have already reached the point of no return, or 2.)it'll take the death of tens of millions before any real, hard hitting discussions take place.

Terrifies the shit outta me. Which is sorta what started this thing.

Oh, and it WAS started by someone, originally, who thought global warming was "BS"

Re: Generally enjoying watching you two debate

[identity profile] submit-yourself.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
like BS as in it's not happening like at all?! (cause that is flat out dumb)

The good thing about the no return type thing is that if science is right even a little bit it will be many years after we're dead. Or the Aztecs are right and we'll all die in two years anyways (I really have a feeling that it's going to be Y2K again with that.)

[identity profile] submit-yourself.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, no I was just saying that we are a cause it may not be entirely our fault, but some of the blame is with us at least. I don't think it's "too late" persay because there have been massive advancements in countries that are developed that would actually keep the rate of warming down and possibly reverse that effect to a point, or (worst possible outcome) the earth will fix it for us and yes it would be a massive population decline that would do it IMO at least