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Terra ([personal profile] penguinfaery) wrote2009-05-30 10:14 am

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Sometimes I lose my faith in humanity

Stupid kid doing stupid shit does not deserve to be executed. Guy was totally right to shot him till he was no longer a problem (And if he'd died in that instance, so be it) but you can't tell me someone with his experience didn't know the kid was fucking neutralized from a shot to the head.

Gimme a fucking break.

[identity profile] biscayne.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, scary stuff.

[identity profile] oceanica.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this. Seriously. -.- Ugh.

[identity profile] donotttrust.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
They pulled a gun on him first. He had every right to kill both of them. Our laws disagree, but I fully believe if someone threatens you with violence or causes violence to you, you have every right to take them down. They are the one responsible as they initiated the violence.

The laws regarding matters like these are fucked up anyhow. So someone is allowed to hold you up, break into your house, whatever, but you can't kill them when they clearly might have killed you? Screw that noise.

Leave the mercy plea to the faggy liberals.

[identity profile] cloudyskies2046.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, yes, I was wondering if this would come up on the friendslist. This is of course all over the news here because it happened in the city where I live.

The DA is pushing for first degree murder charges, which means he'll be acquitted because it was not premeditated. What it should be, is second degree murder, and he could be put away. And you're right, the first shot is completely legal by Oklahoma law, but the other shots were just to make sure the child would die instead of having the slim chance to possibly survive this.

My opinions have changed after taking my senior thesis class on the strength of states. Now I am thinking, why do we pay so much in taxes if I'm going to get shot in my own store? If the United States is the legitimately recognized power in this area, then by definition they should have a monopoly on the use of violence. And as such, if the store owner felt he was at risk of armed robbery in his store, he should have been able to apply for help from the state and been issued a state-employed guard to stand at the entrance to his store. If we all have to be armed just to get through our daily lives (I'm thinking of the shootout that happened in the middle of the day at one of the shopping malls three miles from my house a few months ago) then this is still the anarchy of the Wild West, and the state serves no purpose here.

And on the other side of things, why is a 16 year old child robbing a store? The state has failed to do its job for this child. I think the struggle for financial stability is a very cruel joke, and it is not the American dream. I know it is very un-American to insist that we become a welfare state, but at the same time I pay so much in taxes each year so GIs can roughhouse the middle east while in my own city, shit like this is happening? The state will let children get shot and killed, but damn if I didn't pay my taxes, there'd be some exertion of force against me. Might as well privatize the water plant and tell Uncle Sam to GTFO.

Ah, sorry about the rant >_>;;;

[identity profile] bloodsorrow.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
The kid was a criminal. He was armed, and he was holding people up. He deserved to die, and to say otherwise is to be soft on crime and coddling a criminal.

lol, jk. Wouldn't it be funny if I were actually that stupid and amoral?

[identity profile] submit-yourself.livejournal.com 2009-06-01 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
IDK Terra I think this very much goes back to our convo earlier in the week about not choosing the vigilantism side of things. I don't think it was right for a kid to be shot 6 times by a grow adult. Sure he did something stupid, but kids and adults have two different types of brains and they operat differently.

I don't think that man had carte blanch to shoot him exsessively. If this man actually gets out he has, in a way, shown that vigilatism is okay. He protected himself and then whent back and issued a harsher crime than any of the courts would have given him.

This man didn't give the boy a chance, when the courts would have. (most likely segesting counceling and rehibilitation. Along with jail time)

IDK this thing reeks badly. The truth is that if someone comes into your house to rob/kill you. You do have the right to defend yourself as long as you say a warning