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http://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc

*geekgasm*

Academic papers on Supernatural.

Academic fan related stuff is a secret crack addiction of mine. This+Mechadamia=me locked up for weeks.

...except I totally need to be getting food, and cleaning, and working on homework. And not sitting around reading essays on Supernatural Mpreg.

This cracked me up though:

I'm intrigued by the larger questions our show raises if there's a hell, does that mean there's a heaven? I wrote an episode in which people kill after being visited by something that may or may not be an angel. That, of course, raises lots of questions no one can answer. And it was important to hold onto that ambiguity to keep the world of the show from spiraling out into Judeo-Christian-land, and also because in life we don't ever get definitive answers to questions of faith. Keeping all that going for a whole episode was trickier than I anticipated. When we were working on it, we would put on that Voice Over Guy voice and go, "This week on Supernatural: hot zombie chicks. And next week, Sam and Dean ponder the age-old question, 'Is there a God?'" It was heavy.

It would be interesting to see an interview NOW. As they sure went there.

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I though you said "Those characters" and I was like "Misha's...what?"

XD

~~Then again I'm not entirely sure he knows that all the time...~~

I do see what you mean, however even though America clearly didn't start Christianity (As much as I'm sure some people believe...) I do think...it and pop-culture are our two biggest mythologies. Not uniquely ours, although we do put some unique...spins on it. We just...don't really have much else going past that besides a handful of Urban legends (Which they had sorta all ready blown through, though I still want a freakin' chupacabra and a legit skinwalker. Though the first gets too much into UFOs I think). And I don't think it's so much Catholic as that Catholics are the closest we have to the most traditional stuff, being the oldest. Catholic...access the most wide variety of the Catholic mythology out there that is still a main stream religion.

See, I...maybe not as big a picture as they went, but if they NEVER explained where demons came from having THAT much demon mythology, I'd be pissed as shit. And I dunno how many more paths they could have gone on while still justifying how bad ass demons are. If they were just like "...oh they are a manifestation of bad feelings." or something...fuck that. I mean...I don't think *I* would mind if they were, say, aliens, but that'd change the feel of it a LOT more....

I can see how it's different, but I think it just...made sense the WAY it became different? Like, each season built logically off the last.

Well, seasons 3 and on made sense together. And 1-2 made sense. But the break between season 2 and 3 was like WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY START DOING, THE BAD DRUGS???? It just came out of nowhere. XD It really feels like seasons 1 and 2 fit together, and then 3 on is very different.

I would have wanted SOME explanation for the demons and such yes, at least SOMETHING... but I wanted it to not go down like this:

Me: So what's up with those demons? I bet you guys have this whole awesome plan full of super interesting unique new concepts. =D
Kripke: ....uh... well..... >_>
Me: Like are they demons in the traditional sense? Were they always demons? Can anyone turn into a demon? Are they from a literal hell or just a hell dimension? I HAVE SPENT TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE OBSESSING OVER THIS TELL ME YOUR GENIUS PLAN SIR.
Kripke: .... >_> Uh. Actually, I just sort of... stole from the bible. OH, and comics... that also stole from the bible.
Me: ........oh.
Kripke: ...yeah.
Me: ...You suck. :<

Is pretty much how it happened, at least in my mind. XD

XD

Season 3 is so my least favorite. Like...IDK if it was the writer's strike, and I don't dislike all of it (Like...both girls were fun, and WAY better then the alternative Ruby wise), but...IDK, it didn't not super appeal to me.

Yeah, season 3 sucked. x.x It was just SUCH A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. I'd been watching SPN since practically the beginning and it was my FAVORITE show at the time... so to get to season 3 after two years of being SO PSYCHED OMG and a whole summer of WHAT WILL HAPPEN GAH!!! ....season 3 was... an incredibly huge let-down. And as of season 4 things had already changed too much and it had become such a different show. ~~Plus canon!Dean got replaced by fandom!Dean, which is always sketchy.~~

Yeah, their are a few episode I am like "FUCK YES." but in general I am very "meh." Another benefit of not watching something till it's all done is having no disconnect like that. (I miss out on a bit of fandom, but really, generally I'm digging this whole "Not watching as it comes out" thing. Except for all the Lost spoilers covering every inch of the Earth.)

Like...I actually think Dean was...way too normal. But I also...would not want him as fucked up as he honestly should be. It just...really unbelievable that he's pretty much not just curled up in a ball rocking back and forth.

Yeah, he should either be so traumatized he can't speak - or be totally insane and hardcore and murdering things without any emotion. HE WAS IN HELL FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD. HELL DOESN'T JUST MAKE YOU EMO!

~~Oh hey look it's me and Ju's rp...~~

Like...I see why they did it, because...as much as it's unreal, having THAT realism would totally destroy any semblance of the show, and they got him back on the show with out making too much belief suspension needed, so I can deal with it. I still think a memory wipe would have been best (He would still feel empty, but not have the mind breaking specifics, and wouldn't THAT be a tool the angels and demon could use)

Also, we totally have more mythology than that. It's just not as well known in the mainstream. Go to the south, there's more American folklore in Georgia alone than they could ever fit into that fucking show. XD Go to the border of Mexico, there are TONS of stories there. Go to the northern east coast, talk about Civil War ghosts and early settler legends! Not to mention the fact that we also have a huge untapped resource of Native American mythology, which they only touched on a couple of times. :< Why not do that stuff instead?

There are things, I agree, but...I don't think you can avoid Christianity as American folklore. And although not tapped to full potential, some of those things have been hit (Hoodoo, Roanoke, Wendigo, Native American curses) and in edition they've hit up real people from our history (The Cross Road Demon, the Devil in the White City dude that tried to kill the shit out of Jo) which I would be more interested to see more of. (like the terrifying woman in New Orleans who was experimenting on people D:)

Oh shit yeah. I mean yeah, Christianity is PART of our identity... it just seems like the show has become JUST about that. :\

But I mean... the last ep I bothered watching was the weird AU future one where Dean sees himself being a badass and stuff and Misha OH SORRY CASTIEL is being a hippy and shit? Yeah. I just.. stopped after that. Figured that episode mostly was good, so I should quit while I was ahead. XD

You missed Crowley!

...which I think would lend more into the rip off thing. but also was so overwhelmingly awesome it didn't matter.

Actually a lot this season have been monster of the week, or close to it (Like there were two at least where what was going on had a mythology explanation, but you went through most the whole episode not knowing) 5 (of 10) have been just...episode, and there was one with famine that was clearly tied into the mythology, but felt a lot like it wasn't. Also was possibly the most disturbing episode of Supernatural I have seen. ~~Two were also really, really dumb. You wanna see OOC? Watch Swap Meat. It seemed like a fanfic. And not a good one.~~

You should try watching The Curious Case of Dean Winchester. I think you'd really enjoy the protagonist in that. I hope he shows back up.